Friday, April 14, 2023

An IFB Pastor's Review of the RFP's "For the Sake of the Gospel" Conference


 None of my theology professors taught me that a sense of humor is one of the attributes of God. However, I am convinced that He has one. I believe that not only does God smile down upon His children, sometimes He smirks. One of these “God-smirks” came in the form of a Facebook message from Nathan Cravatt, co-host of the Recovering Fundamentalist Podcast. He asked me if I would be willing to write a blog review about the RFP’s “For the Sake of the Gospel Conference.” He sent me links to the different sessions, and said that he wanted my honest opinion. He also said that he didn’t want to see the draft, but just to publish it and tag him with the link. I appreciate his willingness to be critiqued by someone who is far from being a homer. That speaks volumes to me. 

 I need to lay some groundwork in order to explain why this is somewhat humorous and unexpected. I am not a Recovering Fundamentalist. The one time that I was asked if I am a RF, I simply smiled and replied, “no, I’m a Reforming Fundamentalist” (let the reader understand). The truth is that I am an Independant, Fundamental Baptist Pastor. I love the old hymns. I am a happy tee-totaler. I still wear a suit and tie to church. Although, if I am honest, I have worn a sweater vest and tie on Wednesday nights for quite some time. I am aware that taking off my suit coat is a slippery slope, perhaps if I bathe in the living waters below the mines of Mandalore I can be restored to the way. I am also a KJV man, although I’m not angry about that. Truth be told, my allegiance lies much more with the TR, but that’s another story for another day. 

I have never met any of the RFP co-hosts. The only interaction that I’ve had with Nathan was an online interview that I did with him following the King James Bible debate between him and Mitch Canupp. I wrote a blog about that debate in which I came to Nathan’s defense. I didn’t defend Nathan because I agree with his position, but because I completely disagree with the way that he was slandered, and because I felt like my side of the debate was horribly misrepresented. He reached out to me and asked if we could do the online interview. I felt like the conversation was very cordial and enlightening, which is one of the main reasons that I agreed to do this blog review. 

One final disclaimer before I get into the review. I realize that I am walking a fine line between two very polarized groups of Christians. There will no doubt be people on both sides that will be angry because they feel that I was either too hard on them, or too soft on the other side. There is a very good chance that I will wake up tomorrow morning to find a horse’s head in my bed, leaving me to figure out which group put it there. However, I feel both honored and compelled to do this. 

Please understand that I have never met, nor heard any of the speakers prior to the research for this blog. I do not have a large body of work to compare their one sermon with. Therefore I don’t have the “I know where they are coming from” factor to draw from. In areas where I express disagreement, it may just be a case of needing more clarification. The individual sermon reviews also aren’t that long, as I had to review eight different sessions (I apologize for the length of this blog). I will attempt to be as honest and courteous as I can as I present my opinion (and that’s all it is) with the usual combination of seriousness, satire, and sarcasm. But I hope that this doesn’t get in the way of my heart for this blog post, which is a passion for the gospel of Christ and a desire for unity within the body of Christ. 

By unity, I mean that we have a healthy respect for theological triage. We recognize and rejoice in the fact that on tier 1 issues, the IFB and RFP believe exactly the same things. As born again believers we belong to the same body, are indwelt by the same Spirit, experienced the same calling, belong to the same Lord and share one faith, one baptism and one God who is our Father. We also agree on most of tier 2. Tier 3 is where most of the back alley brawls break out. While tier 3 disagreements may give us reason not to cooperate in certain settings, it's certainly no reason to slander our brothers on the other side. With all of that said, let’s get to the review. 


The Tech Guys. The conference began with a great video that mapped out the gospel from the fall of Adam to the resurrection of Christ. I thought it was really good. I don’t know if their tech guys are in-house or not, but props to them either way. I have always been impressed with the RFP’s online product. Well, except for some of the early podcast episodes. Apparently the aforementioned tech guys finally showed them the gain switch. Again, props. 


The Music. The main focus of this blog will be the sermons, but I did want to devote at least one section to the music. For starters, Brian, Nathan and JC opened the conference with a couple of hymns (At the Cross and Doxology). Guys, just let me say that if the RFP trio ever goes on the road I want tickets. If that don’t light your fire, your wood is wet. There are a lot of deep mysteries of the universe that I don’t understand, but this one thing I know, the RFP fam didn’t teach you to sing like that. I’m js.

After they sat down, the praise band took over. Let me preface this section by saying that when it comes to any style of worship music, I have three basic criteria that I use as a measuring stick. 1. Is the message of the song doctrinally sound? 2. Does the song honestly magnify Christ? 3. Is there something in the music or musicians that distract or take away from the first two? Just for the record, not all hymns fit this criteria (“Mansion Over the Hilltop” anyone?). With that being said, the praise music at the conference wasn’t necessarily my flavor and it wouldn’t be right for our church, but I can say with confidence that for the most part all of these boxes were checked. The songs were doctrinally sound. They magnified Christ and the talent and passion of the musicians was obvious. They sang quite a few hymns as well. Some of my IFB contemporaries (pun intended) believe that all modern praise music is watered down and 7-11, but that’s not necessarily true, and I think that the music at the conference is proof of that.


Session 1, “The Gospel Defined”, Nathan Cravatt. 

Link-Session 1: The Gospel Defined: The Importance of Scripture and Sound Doctrine

Nathan preached out of Romans chapter 1 in order to define the gospel. This is extremely important in the day in which we live. For example, the valley that I live in is 86% Mormon and less than 2% Christian. The Mormons talk about the gospel all of the time but have no idea what the biblical gospel is

According to Nathan, “The gospel is not an easy message, but it is a simple message, that Christ died for sinners to redeem us from the law.” I say, amen. He went on to state that there are three ways historically that the gospel has been shared; 1. Announcement (preaching the death, burial and resurrection), 2.Stories (connecting the cross with other biblical themes like the fall, creation, redemption, etc.) 3. Gospel Community (God’s church as the embodiment of the gospel).  

Overall I thought that the content was solid and there wasn’t really anything that I disagreed with. I did want to mention a few intangibles. First, it doesn’t take very long listening to Nathan to figure out that he is very well read. Whenever I discover this about a person, my level of respect and camaraderie automatically goes way up, even with someone that I might have significant disagreements with. Second, I can tell that God was in his sermon because there were portions that he alliterated (shew!). 


Session 2, “The Gospel Interrupted”, Jared C. Wilson

Link-Session 2: The Gospel Interrupted: Legalism: A Unique and Sinister Assault Against The Gospel

I can tell that Jared is the most holy of all of the speakers because he was the only one to wear dress khakis and a suit coat. Hayman goes right there! (I couldn’t resist). In all seriousness, Jared came out of Galatians 5:13-25 and dealt with hindrances to the gospel. The main hindrance that he dealt with is legalism. I appreciate the fact that he clearly defined legalism as “that which seeks to short circuit grace by adding to it.” Many people wade into very subjective waters when they hurl accusations of legalism at others. 

He went on to state that there are three ways in which legalism hinders the gospel; 1. License (the standards of a legalist will never measure up to the standards of Christ), 2. Law, 3. Lacking in Power. He also mentioned the forms in which legalism is manifested; 1. Tradition over truth, 2. Works over grace, 3. Self over others. 

I also really liked the concept of what he called “gospel amnesia”. In other words, it is the responsibility of each generation to spread the gospel. We can’t rely on the Christians, churches and preachers of the past to get the job done. 

Other than that he had some killer quotes that I jotted down. “The gospel doesn’t announce ‘get to work’, it announces ‘it is finished.” “When you divorce the do of Christianity from the done of the gospel, you will lead people into despair at worst and happy self righteousness at best.” 

Ok, so having said all of that, here is possibly my biggest red flag of the night. Towards the end of his sermon, Jared mentioned that because he preaches “free grace” that he gets an opportunity to preach to the Lutherans. I have no problem preaching anywhere and everywhere that a door is open. It’s the “free grace” part that gives me pause. Now, I don’t know this brother and I hope that I’m not misrepresenting him, but IF he is talking about free grace theology that preaches a saving faith apart from repentance, that’s very problematic. 

We must understand that repentance isn’t about perfection, but direction. I may not be perfect, but because of the salvation of Christ I am going in a different direction than I used to (II Corinthians 5:17). John the Baptist, Christ and the Apostles all preached repentance. Paul even admonished the Thessalonians for how they turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God. Christ said twice in Luke 13, “repent or perish”. Saving faith and repentance are two sides of the same coin. The same God that grants saving faith also grants repentance (II Tim. 2:25-26). A belief in God without repentance is the faith of devils mentioned in the book of James. 

Again, I want to reiterate that Jared could have meant something totally different (perhaps some clarification is in order). But IF this is what he meant I can’t even begin to express the irony of this moment, not only for a gospel conference but also for the RFP in general. This is the same thing that Curtis Hutson preached. I will never forget him uttering the words, “If someone preaches repentance, they are preaching a works gospel. All someone has to do in order to be saved is believe, believe, believe!” Also, It was Jack Hyles that said, “all repentance is, is going from unbelief to belief.” 

To add to the irony and confusion, Jared shared the pulpit on the same night with Nathan Cravatt, a tulip sniffer. I know Nathan doesn’t believe that. I find it interesting that at a gospel conference there was such a diversity among the speakers. This is a major gospel issue (if this is in fact the case). I will gladly stand corrected if it's not. 

Updated Retraction- Although I have not spoken directly to brother Wilson, there have been many people who are close to him that have reached and and told me that he does preach repentance and that he more on the Reformed side of things. He has written on this subject as well. Here is a great article by Wilson https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/easy-like-friday-afternoon-a-manifesto-on-hard-believism/ This is why I emphasized at the beginning of the article that I didn’t have any previous background concerning the speakers and that further clarification on certain things might be needed. I will leave the above section up just for reference and because I do think it's and important subject that needs to be emphasized. Thanks to those that reached out to me.


Session 3, “Evangelism- The Gospel Shared”, JC Groves

Link-Session 3: The Gospel Shared: Evangelism: Modern Methods vs. Biblical Model

To my shock, JC opened the sermon by quoting David Cloud in a positive way. If this is THE David Cloud that I am thinking of then JC is more IFB than I am 😂. I think that JC was trolling and nobody caught it but me. I just had to get that out there. Anyway, moving on. 

JC preached out of Acts 28. His central thrust was that “Evangelism takes place everywhere that we are.” In other words, we cannot separate the Christian life from evangelism. I agree completely. He went on to state that “Paul preached wherever he was.” “We are to preach, 1. Wherever we are (where), 2. Lovingly (how), 3. Promptly (when), 4. To anybody and everybody (who), 5. Preach Jesus (what). 

I greatly appreciate the fact that he warned against quick prayerism. I think that this has been a spiritual plague in our Baptist churches for a long time. He also had some good quotes. “The gospel doesn’t need our tactics, it preaches itself.” “Good news is worth sharing, and the gospel is good news!” 

The only points of concern and clarification are the fact that he uses words and phrases like “crap” and “dad gum” from the pulpit. Call me old fashioned, but I think that we can do better. This isn’t me throwing stones, it’s a reminder to myself as well. 

Also, he had another quote that was a bit of a head scratcher for me. Perhaps this is more my fault than JC’s, but he stated that, “the residue of our relationship with God is the best evangelistic tool that we have.” If he is talking about the fact that we need to walk in a way that is representative of Christ, I say amen. However, in the context in which he said this, it sounded like the old “preach the gospel, use words if necessary.” But given the fact that he talked constantly about preaching the gospel, this wouldn’t seem to make sense. I give him the benefit of the doubt. Overall I thought that the content of the message was pretty solid. 


Session 4, “The Gospel Maintained- Engaging Culture with the Truth”, Mark Milioni

Link-Session 4: The Gospel Maintained: Engaging Culture With The Truth

Let me say that this brother’s passion was contagious. Made me want to take a super soaker and swing out over hell on a rotten corn stalk! He came out of II Timothy 3, with his central point being that, “we cannot maintain the gospel without truth.” He went on to say that, “truth is that which is consistent with the mind, will, character, glory and being of God.” 

Throughout the whole sermon, Dr. Milioni kept exalting the truth in the midst of perilous times. “We are living in perilous times. There has never been a time of such great confusion. This is the church’s greatest challenge today.” I couldn't agree more. Our society is confused and perverse and the only solution is the truth of the gospel of Christ. 

I was so encouraged by his willingness to deal with the hot button social issues of the day such as the LGBT movement and abortion. He was both bold and compassionate. Just being as fair and balanced as I can, if thi sermon from Dr. Milioni was all I knew of the RFP. There is no way that I (or anyone else) could stick them with the label of “liberal”. Very good stuff, much needed. I hate that his review was a little shorter, but I really don’t have any relevant critiques. 


Session 5, “The Gospel Proclaimed- The Power of the Cross”, Brian Edwards 

Link-Session 5: The Gospel Proclaimed: The Power of The Cross

Brian preached out of one of my all time favorite passages, Isaiah 53. The whole gist of the message was about the power of the cross. Throughout the sermon he used very powerful imagery in order to highlight the ugliness of the cross. 

I think this is something that kind of gets lost in the church today. Christ wasn’t a JCPenney model on the cross. He died a violent, horrific death. It might even be considered strange that we wear crosses around our neck. It would be kind of like wearing a necklace with an electric chair on it in more modern times. 

After spending several minutes describing the ugliness of the cross, he transitioned by asking the question, “so how does it make any sense to say that the cross is beautiful?” I loved the quotes that Brian used when he began to answer this question. “No other crucifixion in history was beautiful except for Jesus. That’s because it was the only cross that was adorned with a savior.” “The cross isn’t beautiful to a Christian because of how it appeared, but because of what it accomplished.” 

My short review really won’t do justice to how good this sermon really was. Between the graphic imagery, the historical information on crucifixion, how he brought out the beauty of the cross and the way that he tied it all together was powerful. I think I may have heard a little bit of Craig Edwards in there. 


Session 6, “The Gospel Experienced- The Message of Justification”, Craig Edwards

Link- Session 6: The Gospel Experienced: The Message of Justification

Alright, I really need to get the intangibles out of the way before I begin. First of all, can somebody please get this man a sacred desk to preach from so that Brandan Roberston can have his lectern back? His Bible was hanging off both sides of that little thing. At least JC ran up to raise it up for Bro. Edwards. SMH

Second, if we are giving out awards for the conference, Craig Edwards gets the trophy for leather lunged, bug-eyed, high blood pressure, gravy soppin, biscuit eatin, King James Bible preachin! In all seriousness, Bro. Edwards preached an incredible message on justification from Romans 3:25-26. At the beginning, he really hammered on the holiness of God, and it was GOOD. I’ll be honest. I was listening to him while I was driving down the road and when he got to magnifying the holiness of God I caught myself going about 20 mph over the speed limit and had to slow down. I really appreciate him doing this because without the holiness of God, there is no need for justification. I mean, what do we even need to be saved from in the first place? 

He went on to explain why Christ was necessary for our justification. “The cure had to be in the same form as the cause. Christ had to become a man in order to die for the sins of mankind.” I also appreciate how he pointed out that Justification is more than just being as if we never sinned. It means to be declared legally righteous. 

This sermon messed me up again at the end. I was listening to him while I was standing in my driveway, installing new valve cover gaskets in my 97 Chevy truck when he began to recite a poem about the resurrection. A few minutes in I had to put my wrenches down and just listen. I didn’t realize until I looked at my phone that it seemed as if he was quoting the whole thing from memory. It was pretty awesome. I’m confident that all of my immediate neighbors heard Bro. Edwards say, “But He got up, victorious over death, hell and the grave!” 

One last thing, I really resonated with something that he said at the very beginning of his sermon. “I came to a place where I wanted to make the Bible my only standard and Jesus my only example.” To me, this was one of the highlight quotes of the conference. This is my goal and desire. At times it can feel like being a man with no country. Just like with anyone else, I would not agree with brother Edwards about everything, but I can appreciate this about him. I never did care much for “yes” men. 


Session 7, “The Gospel Defended- Apologetics in Real Life”, Jon Beazley

Link-Session 7: The Gospel Defended: Apologetics in Real Life

From a content standpoint, this was my favorite sermon of the conference. However, before I get to the good stuff I need to sweep off the porch a little bit. First, we have all been guilty of this, myself included. But when we do it, we should be called out on it. I am talking about broadbrushing an entire group of Christians that we might have disagreements with. While stressing the importance of both proclaiming and embodying the gospel, Jon said, “If you grew up in an IFB culture you heard alot about preaching the gospel, and maybe not as much, ‘let’s embody it.” It would require absolute knowledge to make such an absolute claim. Have I seen this in the IFB? Absolutely. But have I also met many IFB who both publicly proclaim and personally embody the gospel, you’d better believe it. I know that the RFP doesn’t like the accusation of broad brushing, but here it is again, waving from center stage. Jon made some other somewhat snarky remarks about the IFB, but I’ll leave it alone. 

Second, he gave an illustration of a man that left the faith and came back to the faith. The wording that he used made it sound like a person can lose their salvation. However, given the content of the rest of the message, it is hard to fathom that Jon believes this. I just point it out on a “just in case” basis. This would also be very problematic at a gospel conference, if this is what he meant. Anyway, onto the good stuff. 

Jon preached out of I Peter 3:14-17 about being ready to give a defense of the gospel. I absolutely loved that he didn’t lose sight of the fact that the context of Peter’s audience was suffering and exile. This almost always gets overlooked. Without even knowing Jon, I can almost guarantee that he is an expository preacher who likes to preach through books of the Bible. 

Suffering and exile are the context in which we can give an answer for the hope that is in us! On a personal level, I feel like Jon had the quote of the conference when he said, “The doctrine of election is designed not to say that your bad isn’t really bad. It’s designed to say that no matter how bad it is, there is something good that transcends the bad.”..... “The Lordship of Christ in His death, burial, resurrection and ascension is our living hope.” 

I can’t begin to explain what this truth means to my family and me. Without going into a lot of detail, because this blog isn’t about me; Four years ago to the day (April 14, 2019) my wife went to bed with a migraine-like headache and she’s had that headache every second of every day since, with no solid medical hope of getting better in this life. But in this context, we have found the gospel and person of Christ has become more beautiful to us than we could have ever imagined. In this context of suffering, the gospel brings us hope! Thank you for expounding upon this great truth Jon. (I have written fairly extensively about our situation, so here is my shameless plug) https://cross4acrown.blogspot.com/2023/01/suffering-thief-that-gives-back.html

I also loved the way that Jon communicated the different ways in which the Apostles tried to reach the Jews with the Old Testament Scriptures, in contrast to using Philosophy in order to bring the Greeks to Scriptures. In other words, they gave them the truth but they met them where they were. Jon equated this to proclaiming the gospel to a modern vs postmodern culture. I would even add that I think that we have gone full circle to the point where we almost live in a pre-Christian culture. But that’s probably not as true in the South as it is here in Utah. Overall, I thought it was a great sermon. 

Updated Retraction- Jon reached out to me through Twitter and wanted to clarify that he absolutely believes that Christ not only saves His people, but keeps them as well. He was very kind to me, even in spite of my criticism. For that I am thankful.


Session 8, “The Gospel Presented”- The Authenticity of Scripture, Dr. Stephen Boyce

Link- Session 8: The Gospel Preserved: The Authenticity of Scripture

I’ll be honest, I was blown away by this message. I had never seen John 14:16-26 as a promise from Christ to the Apostles concerning the inspiration and preservation of the Scriptures. In my opinion, one of the hallmarks of sound biblical preaching is that it leaves the hearer with something to chew on. It opens up new avenues of study. That being said, I will never look at that text the same ever again. 

When Christ gave the promise of the Spirit to the disciples, He also promised that the Spirit would bring to remembrance the words that He spoke unto them. This isn’t some kind of charismatic, mystical experience. It’s a promise that Christ would continue to speak through the inspiration and preservation of His Word. As Boyce put it, “Christ doesn’t just promise the Spirit, He promises future Scripture to be written.” Mind=blown. 

Dr. Boyce’s thesis continued along this line of, “the gospel isn’t a concept, it is words.” In other words, the gospel didn’t just come out of thin air like that book of Mormon. We have the manuscripts to back it up. “In order to have a gospel message, we must have a gospel text.” “All of the churches in the world were settled on only four gospels because they had an unbreakable chain of custody.” 

I took so many notes from this sermon that it is difficult to decide what to use and what not to use. Perhaps I will come in for a landing with my favorite quote from the sermon. Boyce said, “The greatest miracle is that the God who spoke the world into creation never stopped speaking after creation.” ……”God spoke at many times and in many ways, but through only one kind of mediation, to our fathers, through the prophets.” In Boyce’s estimation, there are less than 50 people in Scripture that God spoke to directly. He has spoken unto us through the words of those Apostles and prophets, which are the words of Christ, which is the Word of God. Fantastic sermon. 


My Biggest Complaint

Overall, I thought that the conference was really good, with solid content all the way through. It was actually much better than I anticipated. I was disappointed to have to put away my torch and pitchfork. However, I saved my biggest complaint for last. During the conference there was one glaring example of my biggest beef with the RFP. So here it is, both barrels. I am grieved by how the RFP flaunts their liberty to spite their brother, in the same way that I am grieved when the IFB flaunts their standards to spite their brother (For the sake of respect and avoiding a blanket statement I will limit this last statement to cage stage RFP and fringe IFB). 

For the sake of transparency and balance, I will first give my grievances against the fringe IFB before moving on to the RFP. First, can we please stop idolizing men like Ruckman and Hyles? We can do so much better. And please stop protecting perverts. I don’t care if they have IFB on the sign or not. Also, Let’s get back to expository preaching, in context and with authorial intent. Is it possible to have some kind of theological triage as opposed to elevating everything to the level of the deity of Christ and giving the cold shoulder to those that don’t line up with us 100%? And for the love of all that’s good and decent, can we please stop using the equivalent of middle school locker room lingo (such as transtexuals) to describe those who disagree with us? When you are secure in what you believe you won’t have a problem showing compassion to those with whom you disagree. I am encouraged because I genuinely believe that the majority of the IFB is already doing this, especially the 45 and below generation. 

To the RFP (the cage stagers). You have blasted the IFB for majoring on the minors and exalting man made tradition to the level of Scripture (much of this criticism has been fair). However, I feel like the pendulum has swung so far to the other side that the RFP majors on the minors from a different ditch, elevating their liberties above Scriptural precedent, even shaming those who don’t share in their idea of Christian liberty. Like the pigs sitting upright at the dining room table in Orwell’s Animal Farm, in many ways you have become the very thing that you set out to destroy. I could give various examples of this from social media alone, but I promised to stick with the contents of the conference, so that wouldn’t be very culotte of me. 

Anyway, back to the glaring example of this at the conference. At the end of night one, JC took the mic and asked the RFP fam of podcasters to stand to be recognized. He went down the list until he announced the “Beers and Bibles” podcast. Realizing the shock value of what he had just said, JC repeated himself, “yes (as in, you heard that right) the Beers and Bibles podcast.” To be fair, this was such a small part of an otherwise great conference, but it highlights a much bigger problem, the flaunting of liberty to spite your brother.

We really need to stop and ask the question, why did JC recognize the shock value with the announcement of the “Beers and Bibles” podcast? Um, maybe it’s because a large percentage of conservative Christians (especially Baptists) still find drinking alcohol to be offensive. And they couldn’t possibly fathom the idea of cracking open an ice cold Bud light with their church members at a Bible study (or did you guys switch to Miller recently?). This doesn’t make them a legalist. 

Your big saying is “The truth never fears a challenge” (I love that BTW). So I have a challenge for you and I want an honest answer. Even if you have come to the conclusion that things such as drinking alcohol in moderation are a Romans 14 issue of liberty, why wave them like a battle flag over your “weaker” brother? Do you think that if the Apostle Paul had access to modern technology that he would have hosted a podcast called “The Pork and Precepts' ' Podcast? I can see it now. “Welcome to the Pork and Precepts Podcast, this is your host, the Apostle Paul. Today we are going to be sampling some savory hickory smoked bacon while we walk through the Torah. This bootleg bacon is brought to you by the Gergesene swine company. They put the ‘I’ in swine.” I’ll take things that would have never happened for $1,000 Alex. The Apostle Paul was so concerned about the “weaker” brother that he would not even eat meat in his presence, much less beat his chest about it on a podcast or social media. The ironic thing about Romans 14 is that so many people read it and come away with what a Christian CAN do, when one of Paul’s main points is what mature Christians SHOULD do in a given situation. 

Things like this don’t give a thought to the teenager who might misread the situation, the babe in Christ who wouldn’t understand, the person struggling with alcohol addiction, the elderly couple who just wasn't raised that way, or anyone else for that matter. But hey, muh liberty. This is a form of “macho” Christianity, and it’s no better than the “macho” IFB who beats the war drum of man made tradition as a means of holiness. Both are obnoxious, and both hurt people.

I know that I have poured it on over the last few paragraphs but it’s because the conference was so good, I just wish that the unnecessary extremes on both sides could be trimmed back for the sake of Christ and each other. Rick Machuga once said, “A fool fights for everything; a coward fights for nothing; a courageous person fights for the right causes, at the right times, and in the right ways.” I think that both sides should really think about this. 


For the Sake of the Gospel

What a great mantra to live by. As Christians, I wonder how differently our lives would be if we were all determined to live by it. For the sake of the gospel of Christ, I will think twice before I send out that inflammatory tweet against my brother. For the sake of the gospel, I will stand against the slander of my brother, even if he is on the other side of the aisle. For the sake of the gospel, I will do my best to walk that line between compassion and compromise, even if it means taking shots from both sides. For the sake of the gospel, I will commit to not slandering my brother from the pulpit. I am not wagging my finger at anyone. I am saying, Lord let it start with me.  

If each side would just trim the fat at the ends, there is a lot more that we have in common than not. And I don’t think that many would be willing to admit this, but if we ever end up in the same prison cell for our faith, we would be glad to have each other’s company. And on that day when all these ism’s become wasim's and we are in the presence of the one before whom all sin and pettiness flee, perhaps God in His humor will force these factions of bickering Christians to be next door neighbors in the Zorn Groves subdivision of Heaven for all eternity. 


To Nathan- Thank you for reaching out to me and asking me to write this review. It shows a willingness to be critiqued, as well as a desire for reasonable unity. I apologize for the length, and hope that I have not offended anyone unnecessarily. We might not ever make it to tier 3, or even tier 2 fellowship, but that’s ok. I am for you, and for preaching the gospel, therein I do rejoice. 


In Christ, Brandon Vaughan, SDG John 17:3 , @realbrobrandon


Tuesday, March 14, 2023

A Pastor's Review of Greg Locke's Movie, "Come Out In Jesus Name"


 

Over the past year I have watched from a distance as Greg Locke has become more and more committed to the concept of deliverance ministry. When I heard that he had a movie coming out on this topic I was intrigued and made plans to watch. I began watching several hours of Locke’s series on deliverance, as well as a couple of his guest preachers who are featured in the movie so that I could have some background.  

I want to say at the onset that it is my desire to be as gracious as I can as I give an honest review from a Pastor’s perspective. Although, I have to confess that if sarcasm is a spiritual gift, then I have a double portion. Sometimes it is hard for me to control the anointing, but it’s nothing personal. 

Before I get into it I need to establish a couple of things. First, I am a Baptist (as Locke said, “with a capital B-A-P-T-I-S-T”). I am also one of those sabretoothed cessationists (as Locke said, “who are bound by the demon of religion”). Although I do ask that my non-cessationist friends not cut me off. I watched a two hour movie, please give me the time to read this blog post. 

Second, I will try to be as accurate with names and quotes as I can possibly be. I’m having to go off memory since it was too dark in the theater to take notes, and it’s a copyright infringement to record any portions of the movie (and rude). That being said, I will gladly stand corrected if I misrepresent anyone. 


The Movie Itself. This movie is a documentary style journey through Greg Locke’s transformation from a cessationist into full blown deliverance ministry. Also featured are many of Locke’s friends who have helped him along this journey. 

Overall I thought that the movie quality was very good. It seems obvious to me that a lot of money and time went into this project in order to put out a good product (in terms of production). I didn’t expect anything less from Locke in this area. 


The Movie Theater. I am a pastor in the heart of Mormon country in Northeast Utah. The area where I live is around 86% Mormon and less than 2% Christian, so I really didn’t know what the turnout would be like. I bought the tickets on Fandango a few hours before the movie and was surprised to find that there were only about a dozen seats left. Needless to say that by the time I got to the theater, it was pretty much sold out. It was a small theater, but it was full nonetheless. It was pretty apparent to me that the overwhelming majority of the people there were from the handful of pentecostal/charismatic churches in the area. Given the turnout in this part of the country, I wouldn’t be surprised if the nationwide turnout was very strong. 


The American Gospel Feud. In the weeks prior to the release of this movie, there was a lot of noise on social media about it being a direct response to the American Gospel documentary. While the two documentaries have a completely different message, I didn’t at all get the notion that Locke and his crew were calling out AG. To my knowledge, AG was never once referenced. I felt a need to point that out with everything that was said on Twitter. If Locke was trying to throw shade at AG, I didn’t see it. 


The Good. I am thankful that Greg Locke and His church actively take a stand against the evils of society, such as abortion and the LGBT agenda. There are many pastors and church members who have never gotten outside the four walls of the church in order to hit the streets and I think that’s tragic. 

I can also appreciate their denunciation of witchcraft, and the things that can lead to it (i.e. Ouija boards, tarot cards, etc.). While these things are only inanimate objects, they can be used to open a portal to another world. The textbook definition of witchcraft is the seeking of supernatural wisdom and power apart from God, which is what these things are used for.  

I am also thankful that Locke took a minute to give a gospel presentation. I wish that he would have done so during the actual movie, as opposed to the live stream that he did after the credits, but he did it nonetheless. 


The Main Course with a side of Word Salad. I really didn’t know what to expect from this movie. I wasn’t sure what the main push would be. Although many of the common charismatic talking points were mentioned (speaking in tongues, healing, etc.) the main thrust was casting out demons (hence “come out in Jesus name”). Locke made it very clear that he is sick and tired of the argument over demon “possession vs. oppression.” Locke himself will not say that Christians can be “possessed” with demons. But as I sat through the movie, I quickly realized that he was making a distinction without a difference. According to Locke and his cohorts, Christians can “have demons”, and give “occupancy” to demons. And obviously if demons have to be cast out of Christians, that assumes that demons can take up residence within Christians. 

At one point Locke gave an illustration of the Jewish Temple. He brought out the fact that when Christians are saved they have the Holy Spirit indwelling their hearts. He said that’s like the Holy of Holies in the Temple. Demons can’t get in there, but they can get inside the outer court. Um, what? 

This was the main course of the movie, served with a side of word salad. Over and over and over again it was stated that Christians need to be delivered from demons and spirits of “alcohol, religion, unforgiveness, fear, sickness, lusts, fill in the blank. Although there are a lot of problems that I have with the message in this movie, this is the main issue that I will be dealing with. If Christians can be possessed by devils it causes all kinds of problems. We will look at these now. 


The Gospel. In a movie that lasted almost 2 hours, there was almost no gospel at all. Although the gospel was referenced from time to time, I never heard a clear presentation of the death, burial and resurrection of Christ for the forgiveness and deliverance from sin, NOT ONCE. As I mentioned earlier, Locke did have a short gospel presentation after the cast during his live stream, but more than likely that segment won’t even be a part of the movie when it is released to the public. 

The whole concept of deliverance ministry completely drains the gospel of its power. This was highlighted by the fact that Locke spent the first minute of the livestream sharing the gospel, and the next 25 minutes “delivering” people from all of the things that the gospel couldn’t deliver them from. To me, the most outlandish quote from Locke was when he said that, “Salvation and redemption are for the lost, deliverance is to set the captives free.” Again, what? Following a basic deductive argument; if salvation and redemption are for the lost; and deliverance sets the captives free; then salvation and redemption don’t set the captives free. Is the reader beginning to see the problem with all of this? 

The most staggering quote of the movie though, goes to Isaiah Saldivar (I’m almost positive it was him, again I’m going from memory) when he said, “The gospel isn’t the whole presentation that God wants to give us.” He went on to say in essence that the gospel has no power without these types of manifestations. This is ludicrous but it’s a perfect encapsulation of what they actually believe. Thay have no confidence in the gospel as the power of God unto salvation. 

I don’t want to get too preachy here (pun intended) because I want to stay with the contents of the movie, but let me just say that the power of God is in the gospel and God’s word. The glorious death, burial and resurrection of the spotless lamb of God doesn’t need any help (Rom. 1:16, I Cor. 1:18, II Cor 5:17-21, I Cor. 9:16) 

I want to point out one more thing before I move on. The statement was made that casting out devils was a huge part of Christ’s ministry. I think that it was even stated that casting out devils accounted for ⅓ of Christ’s ministry. I have no idea how they came up with that figure, but here is what I do know, the overwhelming emphasis of Christ’s ministry was preaching.  There are entire chapters full of Jesus’s sermons (i.e. Matthew 5-7). We find many instances where Christ preached without healing or demonstration. In fact, there were even times when Christ refused to heal people because he wanted to go preach in another town (Mark 1:32-38).

The same is true of the Apostles. When most people think of Acts, they often focus on the signs and wonders. But what often gets overlooked is the fact that there are more sermons in the book of Acts than all of the signs and wonders combined. The word “preach” in all of its different forms is used over 35 times in the book of Acts. Like Christ, there were plenty of examples when the Apostles preached without performing miracles, and people came to Christ (imagine that). This brings me to my next point. 


On Par With NAR. Has anyone ever talked about Bill Johnson and Greg Locke in the same sentence, or considered them to be similar? If not, now is the time. While they definitely have differences in their personalities, affiliations and delivery, they are cut from the same cloth. Bill Johnson and Bethel Redding are the tip of the spear when it comes to the New Apostolic Reformation. But make no mistake about it, Locke and Global Vision are just another arm of the NAR. It may be a different flavor, but it’s still Baskin-Robbins. 

At this point I can hear the reader shouting and getting ready to throw whatever device they are reading this on. But here me out. I’m not saying that Global Vision and Bethel agree on everything, they don’t. However, one of the hallmarks of the NAR is “apostolic authority” (hence the “Apostolic” part). It’s all about a man centered authority structure. This is the Occult 101 BTW. Bill Johnson and company make themselves out to be so important through these supposed signs and wonders (For more on this read Counterfeit Kingdom by Holly Pivec and Dougless Geivett). This is exactly what I see in this deliverance movement by Greg Locke. If there was one glaring message in the movie, it’s that we need them. Without these men and women who have the power to cast out devils, heal the sick, raise the dead, etc. we’re just poor pitiful Christians who are left with nothing but the gospel and a bible. This is why their deliverance ministry was front and center in this movie and the gospel was a mere parentheses tacked on at the end of the credits. 

Now I know that Locke and company would adamantly deny this and bring up the fact that they mentioned the name of Jesus several times in the movie (and they did), but so do the Mormon missionaries who come to my door and show me their name tag. We all know where the real action is. It’s in the LDS church, namely their priesthood authority, so this is nothing new. It’s just been repackaged. 

Locke might also mention the fact that the Bible was referenced many times, even putting several verses on the screen throughout the movie. But I would just remind everyone, so does Joel Osteen at the beginning of every church service (This is my Bible 😀) right before he proceeds to butcher that very thing for the next 30 minutes. 


Strange Things are Happening…Strange Things. This deliverance crowd makes a very strong attempt to tie what they do back to the Apostles and the early church, but they do many things that are never seen in Scripture that are just, well, strange. For example, when Christ or the Apostles casted out demons, it was a simple command that was immediately obeyed. But Locke’s crew make an ordeal out of it. There are a lot of things that I could mention here, but for the sake of time I will only mention a couple. There were multiple times in the movie where it showed these deliverance ministers massaging a person from their stomach to their throat, commanding the demon to come out of their mouth. I’m not sure if they were trying to get them to vomit or what, but I did notice some buckets in the background a few times, I’m js. That’s very strange. And it seems much more Psychosomatic and manipulative than spiritual, but that’s my two cents. 

Something else that happened in the movie that would fall into the category of “that’s strange and I can’t find that in Scripture” is that the deliverance ministers called some of the demons by name (Legion told Jesus his/her/they/whatever name(s), not the other way around). I’m not just talking about the spirit of fear, suicide, alcohol, etc. (although that happened a lot). I am talking about casting out the demons known as “Incubus”, “Baphomet”, etc. But how do these guys know? This seems like pure gnosticism to me. But since we are naming demons now, I just want to say that this crowd needs to be delivered from the demon of Eisegesis (that felt good, I wonder if it will work). 

I can’t leave this topic without mentioning the live stream at the end. After the credits, Locke came on live. The first thing that he did was ask everyone to stand. It came as no surprise that everyone in the theater but yours truly and the two people with me stood up as commanded. There was a soft piano playing in the background as Locke stood on the stage from wherever he was and appealed to the cameras for the next 25 minutes or so. 

After he got his 60 second gospel presentation out of the way, he began a mass deliverance over the thousands of theaters that were watching this movie. At least some if not all of what Locke said seemed scripted. But he told everyone to repeat after him as he proceeded to command the spirit of fear, unforgiveness, bitterness, lusts, etc, etc. to come out in Jesus’ name. What was also strange is that Locke would alternate between commanding these spirits to leave and giving the audience authority to cast the devils out themselves. A self-exorcism is a concept foreign to Scripture as well. 

The more that Locke talked, the more fiery he got. In the theater where I was, the emotion in the audience continued to build like a freight train until some of the women were shaking and screaming violently at the top of their lungs, and at least three or four people around me were speaking in tongues. It turned into an absolute circus. I can only imagine how lit it got in some of the bigger theaters across the country. 


A False Diagnosis Leads to the Wrong Cure. If there is one thing that Locke and I agree on, it is that people everywhere are oppressed and hurting. The question is, what can be done about it? If we come up with the wrong diagnosis, we will seek the wrong cure. This will only add more burdens to those who are already suffering. This is why we must get this right. And I believe that this concept of deliverance gets it wrong in a few areas. 

First, it turns the Christian life and it’s daily sanctification into an easy hocus-pocus, name it claim it formula. So easy in fact, that in many cases you don’t even have to be the one to declare victory, just have your local pastor/apostle do it for you. Are you struggling with grief, temptation, lack of assurance, bad thoughts, sickness, discouragement, etc? All you have to do is cast those demons out and claim the victory. It’s that easy! 

This is in total contrast to what Christ said about taking up our cross daily (Luke 9:23), or the promise of tribulation (John 16:33). It goes against what Paul said about dying daily (I Cor. 15:31), enduring thorns in the flesh (II Cor. 12), the battle of the Spirit and the flesh (Gal. 5), the gift of suffering (Phil. 1:29) the continual need to seek God in prayer (Phil. 4), the admonition to be filled with the Spirit (Eph. 5), mortify the lusts of the flesh (Col. 3:5) and to put on the whole armor of God (Eph. 6). Sometimes the Christian life is just hard. Sometimes we go through trials that we can’t get around, but by God’s grace we just have to go through them and endure. There is no easy formula. 

The deliverance movement totally avoids these truths, and as a result they are setting people up for failure. Again, I have a hard time distinguishing Locke’s message from that of Bill Johnson, Kenneth Copeland, Creflo Dollar or Joel Osteen, at least in this area. Just declare it! Just speak it! No wonder he is drawing such large crowds. Locke even admitted in the movie that there are large numbers of people who show up to their deliverance services that would never come to a normal service. Why not? I think the answer is clear. This isn’t making disciples. 


The Devil Made Me Do It. Another danger of deliverance ministry is that when followed to its logical conclusion, it removes personal responsibility for sin. As Christians, we are indwelt by the Holy Spirit, but we also live in this sinful body of flesh. When a person sins, is it because they desired in their heart to do these wicked things, or did the devil make them do it? By turning personal sins into spirits (spirit of adultery, drugs, fornication, etc.) it removes personal guilt and responsibility and places it upon another party that simply needs to be cast out. 

I could also mention that the deliverance movement turns the gospel into a nothing burger and gives the leaders cult-like authority but I have already covered that in previous sections so I will move on. 


The Morning After. As I sat there in the theater during Locke’s live stream and watched people completely overcome with their emotions, I couldn’t help but wonder what’s going to happen tomorrow (which is now today). They no doubt got up this morning with the emotions of last night completely gone. And what they found is that their problems, anxieties and temptations are still here, and now what? Do they need to get delivered again, or is it like a one and done? 

I think I actually got the answer to this question before the movie even started last night. About 5 minutes prior to the movie they put up a QR code on the screen that said something to the effect of if you want to maintain your freedom scan the code. Out of curiosity I scanned it. It took me to a page where I could sign up for a GVBC email list. It invited those who wanted to “maintain” their deliverance to sign up. Maintain their deliverance? What? If we have to maintain our freedom then who makes us free in the first place? If we get undelivered then how do we get delivered again? See, these guys are selling a product which will always create a need for the dealer. 

This is why the gospel is enough! God’s Word is enough! Christ is enough! We are made complete in Christ at the moment of salvation, never to be lost again (Col. 2., II Cor. 5:17, Eph. 1, Rom. 8). This is real deliverance. 


Some Personal Questions for Greg Locke.  So why should I care? Why would a Baptist pastor spend money to go watch this movie and then take the time to write about it? Am I really choking that hard on sour grapes? The answer is no. I am doing this for a couple of reasons. First, as a pastor, I love Christ’s sheep, therefore I am always on wolf watch. But there is a more personal interest for me. My wife went to bed with a migraine-like headache on April 14, 2019 and she has had that headache every second since. Next month will be four years. Despite prayers from thousands of Christians from all over the world, and seeing some of the best specialists in the world, she has found no relief and no real answers. We are in our 30’s and have three small children. And there is a real chance that my wife will spend the rest of her life as a prisoner of her own body. 

Here are my questions for Mr. Locke (if he ever sees this). First, is someone like my wife oppressed with a demon of sickness, or is this simply a physical problem? Either way, can you or your Apostle buddies either cast the demon out or heal her. If not, why not? If you cannot cast this problem out in Jesus name, then who’s fault will that be, your’s, my wife’s, or God’s? I think that these are reasonable questions that a continuationist should be able to answer. I can go ahead and tell you, that the Apostles in Acts wouldn’t have had any problem healing my wife. Every single time in Acts, with possibly one exception, the healing came through the faith and power of the Apostles and not the one being healed. They could heal someone by simply letting their shadow pass over them or touching them with a cloth.  If you don’t believe that men have that same kind of power today then maybe you are a partial continuationist, which also makes you a partial cessationist, which is extremely convenient. 

The truth is that if my wife and I had gone to that theater last night without knowing our Bible, we would have probably got sucked into the emotion of it all, but the problem would still be here. Then we would have been questioning why it didn’t work. Do we not have enough faith, does God not care, is he even real? I think that this is one of the greatest tragedies of deliverance ministry. 

Fortunately for us, we do know our Bible and we also know Christ, not only in salvation but in the fellowship of His suffering. Although He has chosen not to heal her, He has given us joy, grace, peace, a greater desire to share the gospel, greater compassion for others and an increased focus on eternity. But since you have something better to offer I at least wanted to give you a chance to clarify what that is, although I doubt that I will hear anything from you. 


What to Do with All of This. Someone like Greg Locke can be so intriguing. He comes along during a time when so many pastors, churches and political leaders lack any real spine or voice and speaks louder than any of them. He seems like the answer to lukewarmness, weakness and dead religion. But I am convinced that there is a style of ministry and preaching that kills sin and excites the flesh, but doesn’t honor and magnify Christ. The Muslims do this all of the time. Go to Saudi Arabia and you won’t find any stronger stance on the issues of abortion and homosexuality. They may come across as macho, but they aren’t glorifying Christ. 

We are not to turn to the right or the left. I am convinced that macho Christianity is found in the suffering servants who live for Christ daily, most of which we have never heard of. This is why Christ will say well done thou good and faithful servant, and not, well done thou Christian celebrity. 

Real and lasting deliverance comes by grace through faith in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ. Anything less is a dog and pony show.


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